KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. However, David and Toneata's relationship did not last long. 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Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley . MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? Right? I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. When I was growing up, she just seemed like just a normal mom, Sheers, 24, says. From the first episode, it seemed Kate was more invested in the relationship than David. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. But on Sunday, when he drove her to the airport, Andrew made it clear to Shirley it was over for good. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. Zachary's corpse described him as looking up to the sky. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. Go away.'. And now I want to read the book. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". Cancel online anytime. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Did anybody want to take them? David says. One of the best books that I have ever read. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. Each decision is subject to appeal. And it was the happiest they had been since the days before their son was murdered. In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. In the spring of 2002, David quit his job and Kate took a leave. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. The Bagbys, whod already been traveling back and forth to Canada for the extradition hearings, knew what they had to do. Another guy and I said, `Sure. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. I wanted to read this book because I saw a snippet on MSNBC or one of those late night shows, (about the last 7-10 minutes of the show) that was actually the television version of what had taken place back in 2001. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. It was a congloption, Kate says of the menu. Turner was twice divorced and one of her last three noteworthy partners was murdered, another was living in fear of her in Pennsylvania and the third was complaining to police that Dr. Turner had harassed him.. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. The Bagbys offered each other a balance. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. David Bagby speculates that this was Shirley's idea of victory: when Andrew and Zachary both rejected her, she punished them. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. His parents were ecstatic. Add a bio, trivia, and more. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard . Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. No one can tell the story as clearly and with as much emotion as his father does in this book. He said, `What can happen?'. While battling the extremely long court system in Canada, they did all they could to keep things civil between themselves and the accused murderer of their son. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. Time to keep marching, as David says, in order to be there for their grandson. First, the provincial and territorial courts must determine whether the accused should be jailed in Canada as the proceedings move forward. Not always.. The Bagbys were confident Turner would be returned to Pennsylvania for trial in a matter of weeks. More than all that, the Bagbys tale is about two people who endured one personal tragedy, which was compounded in harrowing ways that would surely crush most of us. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance they got.Why should they have even been put in that insane situation in the first place? It soon became apparent who was responsible. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. Related:Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? In the wake of the shocking turn of events, Andrew's father, David Bagby, wrote a true crime memoir that is described as "a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system.". Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. and our He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. For the Bagbys, Zacharys birth was the start of more than a year of renewed joy and incomprehensible pain. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. A tale of sorrow and survival. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." I always thought life was good until Andrew was killed, Kate says, sitting in her Sunnyvale kitchen. Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? I'll never understand why. It changes the Criminal Code, allowing courts to refuse bail for suspects accused of serious crimes when anaccused'schild or children under the age of 18 may be in danger. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. "This is it recognition by the legal community, which includes Parliament, that bail had something to do with Zachary's death. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. They told us that they'd found the body. Kate, the compassionate nurse with the unshakable religious faith. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. Then, in August 2003, Shirley Turner killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. Its rage with me, he says. Please try again. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. Some time after 1 a.m., she sat in the car and apparently mixed a bottle of sleeping pills with Zacharys formula. When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. Is it OK? The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' 1 Photo. Change is slow. MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. Anything to be with Zachary, Kate says. "We had to do something to channel our rage and sorrow," he says. True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. I'm rarely the kind of gal that cries during movies or books and I was sobbing. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. Kate and David remember that Andrew was born late. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? They held their breath. Newfoundland MP Scott Andrews introduced the private member's bill to reform bail provisions. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. And he'd be like(turns. I had a job I loved. Cpl. This year is different. Why would she say that if he wasn't? Turner said she was afraid the Bagbys would try to harm her boy. Spent casings matched Turner's handgun and a witness saw a car similar to hers parked next to Andrew's car. Both of them were victims of murder. Not only do you get the whole story of how the justice system failed, but Dave goes on to explain how it should be fixed. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. I didnt know Americans could quote Shakespeare.'. 2007 David Bagby (P)2016 ListenUp Production, LLC. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law. the eventual turning of a bill they drafted actually becoming law. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. Im sure shes just gone somewhere. Kate has also moved on,according to her Instagram. No spoilers here for my friends but you must watch this film. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. While fending off extradition efforts by U.S. law enforcement, she announced she was pregnant with Andrew's son, Zachary. The couple left Canada and returned to California - but the tortuous memories followed. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". Snow. One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. They dated for about a year before leaving Canada. David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. Theyll find her. The next thing a police constable is at the door., Two bodies have been found on the beach, the officer said. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. Memorial University Medical School. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. I only live a block away.' Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. She appealed and a hearing was set for September 2003. I couldn't see the point anymore. Very powerful story, artfully told. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. He said, `What can happen?'. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? And that was midafternoon. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. Reviewed in the United States on March 14, 2022. March 17, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. the water. It was the result the couple had been waiting for. I was at work and the receptionist said you have a call from the Sunnyvale police, says Kate, then a nurse practitioner in obstetrics and gynecology at Santa Clara Valley Medical Center. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. I tried to console them, Snow says. 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