Dont pretend that you know my heart, either. One would think they know God better than we do. But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins. Its not unreasonable. Do you agree with Furtick that God is a molecular structure that fills all in all? And he marvelled because of their unbelief. Your email address will not be published. In our natural state, we want nothing to do with God. Be transformed into an advocate for truth to protect yourself and your loved ones from the wolves that the Scriptures talk about. Were called to watch our lives and doctrine closely right? You will receive a receipt via mail and email once your donation has been processed. Along those lines, a lack of faith is a spiritual limitation. I wonder how many on this forum have a biblical salvation experience ? All I know is what God has done in my life."'. They elevate men and demote God, and this really is a good example of it. I am glad you dont have that aversion , as Hebrews 11, the Faith Hall of Fame is full of great deeds of faith, speaking of those who moved God with faith. You seem to think that the power is in US that speaking those words is what saves us. It makes the most sense to apply it to Revelation, as it IS a book of prophecy. Do you see how this patient and gentle approach might be more effective than a confrontational approach? Narcigesis makes Scripture about me. Id like to see a citation on him saying that Joyce Meyer is a great teacher. Dont trust yourself. Let me know how I can help, because I want to help. This sets the stage (so to speak) for what is about to happen, in effect because these local folks coped an attitude saying ; who does this local guy think he is? It really only takes a couple of minutes online to find false teaching from the multitude of false teachers if people would just take the time. Scientist still do not know what holds the molecules together, but interesting the word says; by him (Jesus) all things hold together. Again, Paul speaking of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; Romans 1:16. as it, whether could not or would not, is still (bottom line) for want of faith in us, just as the scripture says in Matthew 13:58 I believe he believes what hes saying. It changes the nature of Jesus death. Every word that came out of His mouth was the Father speaking. Normally, I strictly use a false teachers own words to explain why we should avoid them. As no, it is not a logical and biblical explanation that He chooses to act under certain circumstances, and to not act in others, as God is not the author of confusion 1 Corinthians 14:33, and that would be the height of it, as even in your question: Theres a gigantic difference between Jesus not doing many miracles because of their unbelief and Jesus being unable to exercise Gods power because He was entirely powerless to do so. But seems you are conflating the two things, that of, God showing (demonstration) of who he is and the people receiving of said power through faith .. Admittedly, this is absolutely a rabbit trail but I am enjoying your feedback so I will press on. My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working. Neither do I. May I share a harsh scripture that not only you, but all of us, may need to consider, Acts 5:38,39. Steven Furtick either teaches false things, or he does not. Even a single example is enough. So, singing Jehovahs Witness songs would put licensing money in their pockets, furthering their ministry while promoting them as a source of good religious music. does not equate to Gods blessing. Myles Munroe is a good example, and you can see that. What IS the question? Seems like a foundational idea on which other bad ideas are built. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. Weekly motivation delivered right to your inbox. Besides: its easy to ask a question like, What does the Bible say about baptism, but the answer isnt so brief. I mean, werent first-century believers also indwelt by the Holy Spirit? How about occasionally giving the gospel . Again, My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. Like blind Bartimaeus, who asked Jesus to have mercy on him Mark 10:46-52 and Jesus asked; What do you want Me to do for you? That doesnt make it wrong, of course but we should be careful about embracing concepts that are far removed from their source. But I did check the website for Elevation Church to find out what they teach about the Trinity. Rather than revealing who weve been all along, following Jesus actually results in a change. When Jehovahs Witnesses talk about Jesus, theyre using words that sound the same, but have a different meaning. Second: who does it apply to? PO Box 1679, Fort Mill, SC 29716 | Customer Service: 1-877-857-2244 | Orders: 1-888-777-1896. God's Got Your Back Part 2. Questions about false teaching often raise emotions pretty high, so thanks! Every time I hear some of steven furtick motivational speeches my heart each time is just tore up about it thank u for digging and honestly confirming what Ive always felt each time he opens his mouth normally missing the mark isnt some huge extravagant bald faced lie, its subtle hence surely you wont die but we just like Eve are looking through our humanistic evil eyes (Ayin) its never been a physical death, always a spiritual death, resulting in our separation from God! Let me know what you think. Appreciate that look up. Yes, we agree that Jesus had the power to heal and that His healing was a combination of compassion for those who suffered and a declaration of His identity as Messiah. Do you agree with him that Modalism is true and the trinity is false? I dont say that to say that Im right, but to point to the objective fact that what Furtick teaches, and what youve repeated, simply contradicts Scripture. Why is that? Feel free to continue disagreeing, if you dont see what I see. Does this man believe ? Christ in you, the hope of glory Colossians 1:27 Too few Christians take such things seriously. Im not sure I trust myself to draw that line about people Ive never met. Making the claim as if its self-evidently true is a mistake, and not how we should handle Scripture. But that you may know that the Son of man has power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up your bed, and go unto your house. Matthew 9:5,6. Ive fixed it. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Churchs helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. The church, which started in early 2006, has adopted a governance system that has Furtick answering not to a group of lay members, as in many churches but to a board of five out-of-town pastors he chose. Furtick and his wife built a home on 19 acres of land in Waxhaw, North Carolina, a suburb of Charlotte in 2013. Please feel free to respond to the content of that comment, rather than simply complaining about my tone. He called Word of Faith teacher Joyce Meyer the greatest Bible teacher alive today.. If you study the scriptures long enough concerning the identity of Father/Son/Spirit, it is CLEAR that it is all ONE God, ONE Spirit, ONE Lord. God saves us in response to our acceptance of His offer of salvation. Martha did not believe that Jesus would raise her brother Lazarus from the dead (John 11:2324, 39), but our Savior resurrected him anyway (vv. They interact with one another because they are distinct from one another, as you and I are. Hes pretty harsh. The laws, regulations, and guidelines we see in Scripture for both ancient Israel and for followers of Jesus are, historically speaking, universally understood to be a reflection of Gods character. 1. Second, Im supremely confident that you will agree with these statements correct me if Im wrong: If you agree with those things, then the only thing left for you and me to figure out is whether Steven Furticks teaching actually DOES contradict Scripture right? There is only one God, and He never created anything like Himself so we cant say that He is like an egg, or an apple, or the sun, or whatever. I mean no offense, Mercy but youre being irresponsible. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. In Romans 14, for example, Paul tells us that there are disputable matters. With all due respect to other writers of websites (and makers of videos, and tweeters of tweets), many who talk about false teachers are willing to call someone a false teacher simply because they disagree over disputable matters. I is the first person, You is the second person, They is the third person. Sarah didnt have faith that God could give her a son, but He did anyway. Not just theological stuff, but ALL true things. Sometimes, letting go makes space for growth.In Permission To Quit, Pastor Steven Furtick reminds us to not let our limitations block our potential.#elevationchurch #stevenfurtick #permissiontoquit #dothenewyou #growth #quitting #identity #freedom #change #grace #strength #perseverance #church #pastorstevenfurtick #2023sermonTo support this ministry and help us continue to reach people all around the world click here:http://www.elevationchurch.org/giving/If youve just made a decision for Christ, please respond HERE: http://ele.vc/tIepfrThis sermon is also available in Spanish (@elevationespanol): https://youtu.be/Ff-ll19JvH8Don't stop here! (sorry for the all caps, sometimes I get carried away. I said you were BEING irresponsible. The gospel , death, burial and resurrection of our Lord. Im not providing examples here, but a warning to watch out for it. Ill recap, for clarity: Steven Furtick said that the power of God was in Jesus, and that He WANTED to do miracles, but Jesus could not BECAUSE the power of God was trapped in their unbelief. Its a combination of narcissism and eisegesis. In essence it means a single entity being comprised of multiple constituents. Can He be contained in anything? Take Elevation's recent goal of 1,000 "spontaneous baptisms" the kind people don't know they're going to get when they show up for church in their street clothes. The simple truth is that I dont want you to trust me, Ryan. If you give the pizza delivery guy the wrong address, youll never get your pizza. He didnt know about making disciples, as the KJV only says to teach and doesnt say make disciples. When we walked through some other New Testament verses about discipleship, he was grieved. Sure, we know that there is only one God. This is how it works, as right, it is this same power that we all have today (Hebrews 13:8) to obey the command of Mark 16:15-20. How many people do you bring to GOD every week? He then proceeded to North Greenville University and graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in communications. And from what you have quoted, has definitely made some statements that go beyond Scripture. It literally means He came out from my inside the Father. Many years later, the Son became a human. Pastor Steven Furtick (left), of Elevation Church, and Pastor Terrell Murphy, of New Birth Charlotte, pray together before a large crowd at the close of a shared service for the two churches at Cricket Arena in Charlotte, N.C. Furtick and staffers get together in a camper parked next to Providence High as they prepare for a Sunday sermon. We all know that its easier to stand up when others stand up, and harder to be the only person in a crowd to do something. Regular Christians always get to be healed, but Paul was a special case. Our faith is important, but it does not limit what God CAN do. According to Furtick, Jesus had the ability and the desire to do more, but the power of God was trapped in their perspective.. No, I do not see it, as Furtick said of Jesus; He wanted to. Anyone who disagrees with what Furtick teaches must a) be envious, b) ignorant of how God has blessed his church, and c) a deceiver. God has given us great promises in His Word, including promises of health and wholeness, as Jesus died on the cross to redeem us from sin and sickness. I feel the same about Joyce Meyers. Furtick follows in the footsteps of false teachers like Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, and Joyce Meyer by claiming that we are just like God, or just like Jesus. Thanks for doing this. God bless and give you discernment. You could even, at that point, ask another question: What would you say to someone who teaches modalism? and What would you say to someone who listens to modalist teachers?. In light of Furticks false teaching, this might simply be a big mistake, and not a lie but its worth noting when asking whether Furtick is a trustworthy Christian leader. COULD JESUS HAVE HEALED THEM IN SPITE OF THEIR LACK OF FAITH, OR ARE HUMANS ABLE TO STOP GOD FROM DOING WHAT HE WANTS TO DO? If theyre not saved, we should pray for their salvation. It shows that youre hungry for the true things of God, that you really want to see Gods people living like Gods people, that you feel anxiety over how many lost people are being led farther astray. I will return to you at the appointed time next year, and Sarah will have a son. The Son went back to the Father, and they both sent the Holy Spirit to dwell in each believer. This is serious business. Put more simply, there is one God who is eternally and distinctly three persons. The word in Romans 10:9 thats translated you will be saved is a verb. I will send the full force of my plagues against you and against your officials and your people, so you may knowthat there is no one likeme in all the earth. Winds NNW at 10 to 15 mph. We would be saying what Scripture itself does not say, and we should avoid that. Started as a worship music team leader at Christ Covenant, a Baptist church in Shelby. Its real in the spiritual realm, they say, and we have to bring it into the physical realm by believing. Where is the Holy Spirit conviction , wheres the guidance of the Holy Spirit ? As Ive written in What is a False Teacher, I want to be careful, and I dont see these teachers as my enemies only as people who need to be seen, assessed, critiqued, and understood. Paul gave us the way to avoid error in Philippians 3. I mean plainly and obviously do you believe that God is ever POWERLESS to do what He wants in any given situation because your decision RENDERS Him powerless? Thats enough to condemn Furticks statement. You could go to your father and say, Steven Furtick is a false teacher who teaches modalism and you should be ashamed of yourself for listening to him. Thats not likely to get you very far. As far as God is concerned, that settles the issue of healing, as its all done, 1 Peter 2:24. You have to get the understanding from God. This is also true. Political Party: Ethnicity: Religion: Income: Net Worth: Relationship: Kids: So whats the difference between being wrong and trying to pervert the gospel? Thus if a family is comprised of a father, a mother and a son, nobody thinks there are three families or one person with three personalities or such like. Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christs power may rest on me (2 Corinthians 12:9) how can God be three persons and yet one?"' They give a more complete picture of the events, and provide more accurate meanings. Is it okay to sing the songs, but not go to the concert? The problem isnt that Furtick baptizes converts to Christianity. For example, the Father sent the Son (1 John 4:14). The issue of Furticks misquotation and conclusions about the text isnt the biggest issue, but it does point to a common problem for him and other false teachers: they feel comfortable saying what the Bible doesnt say. Just as you control what you say, God sent forth by His living Word what HE was saying. The word means to wound, trouble, or cause pain. Dont give up your frustration is evidence that the real thing is out there waiting. I am struck by how several people irresponsibly and incorrectly used various verses or created their own paraphrases around the concept of judging, knocking you for judging. And, each person that commented with something to that effect seemed emotional, whereas other comments of disagreement seemed more calm rational theological discussions. Something you said reminded me of another misconception. As for, Do you, in any sense, have power over God? Paul said he was not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: Notice the connection between Power and faith They demote God from the all-powerful, all-knowing being that He is into a victim of a clever demon that He created the Creator was tricked by His creation, failed to see the future, and was rendered impotent as a result. The power of God was in Nazareth, but it was trapped in their perspective. For example, in that same passage, a narcigete would put themselves in Jesus place. Both of us having what I would describe as a crisis of faith. Nobody teaches lies and falsehoods all the time. Pauls entire ministry illustrates the selfless nature of the true Shepherd. Moreover, Jesus healed people when there was no evidence of faith at all. What makes the most sense of these verses, in context? Here are a few verses: I could go on, of course. Have a great day! Same vocabulary, different dictionary. Ive removed the link you provided, in case any would be tempted to go and listen to him. He takes the first step. Sure, if a false teacher is someone who says false things, but on this scripture we are discussing Matthew 13:58, I will stand with collaborating scripture I have shared and with Matthew Henry, and with Furtick, if need be. Itll only take a moment: why was Paul never healed? He hooked up with a Baptist church, where the pastor named him youth minister. Payment for sin still applies and, to His praise and glory, is satisfied for those in Christ and unsatisfied for those who are not. I appreciate this post very much; you walked through and explained things very well. I must say from what Ive read so far, I can see you provide a solid foundation of where your thoughts are coming from, and a humility to the fact your just human. I want you to know the Scriptures. When we elevate people who lead others astray whether accidentally or by false teaching we risk the lives of our friends and family, both now and into eternity. He causes the sun to shine and the rain to fall on the righteous and unrighteous alike. Unbelief in Nazareth somehow kept Christ from doing all that He could. We agree: everybody should be able to sieve what were told. We dont agree that healing belongs to us in Christ Jesus, because the Word of God does not say that. The alternative is heresy, as defined in the traditional, historic sense: limiting Gods power and ability to do what He wishes to do is a non-starter. Thats good stuff. Its the established position of Scripture and the witness of millions of faithful Christians throughout history: God CAN heal, but He might not and we dont have the power to override His decisions. Get contact info, address & run background checks for Steven Furtick. What youve written makes it sound like you think thats unnecessary. They looked at Raleigh, and at Jacksonville, Fla. Church is changing too quickly because of the influence of these false teachers. Thank you so much for the explanation. There is no other God beside Him. See, John 14:17 for he dwells with you (old testament), and shall be in you (new testament). So, then how much greater exploits, Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. What power? Once born again the believer needs to grow. Not getting respect is a symptom of unbelief, which will result in let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. (James 1:7) exactly which happened here in Mark 6:5,6. This story was originally published March 10, 2017, 7:00 PM. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. Oneness has God interacting with Himself, as if He were three separate people. Increasingly, these young "Elevators" are bringing their curious parents. Do you tell immature believers, or impressionable non-believers, that they should take the good and ignore the evil? If a man is truly born again, he has the Holy Spirit as his guide into all truth. Nobody has any problem with the concept that a family has just one person. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. I dont mean that you might create a circumstance where God has already made decisions about what will happen, as when someone dies after a lifetime of rebellion. In the meantime, let me know how I can help. Furtick used the word could in Matthew 13:58, yet you said it was heresy, now here the same word could is also used. May it never be! Was named last year to the SuperSoul 100 by the Oprah Winfrey Network. You Are Not It. I dont think so, and Ill bet that you dont really think so, either. Steven Furtick is a very popular speaker. Gods INABILITY is a bad explanation. Nothing to do with God at the appointed time next year, and can. 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